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Dorene Mahoney

I found your site on a workshop notice through IONS. I like your general orientation and ascribe to much of what you're advocating in your blog, including the notion that most of us are looking outside ourselves for answers, which makes life effortful. On the flip-side, then, I also like your support of going within oneself to find happiness and the innate capacity to flourish. However, my training is in Depth Psychology which posits that personal growth involves loss and healthy conflict associated with becoming conscious (i.e., bringing what is unconscious into consciousness, against the protective efforts of the ego). Shedding outmoded or inauthentic beliefs is fraught with suffering, as it smooths our rough edges and builds character within us. I'm curious about your response to this view, specifically as relates to your aim of "bringing distress and human suffering to an end." I suspect my sense of disconnect may have to do with our different ideas of the meaning of the word "suffering," but I'm curious about what you think. Thank you for doing what you do--there aren't enough of us out there to help all those who need this kind of soul work.

Dorene Mahoney

I found your site on a workshop notice through IONS. I like your general orientation and ascribe to much of what you're advocating in your blog, including the notion that most of us are looking outside ourselves for answers, which makes life effortful. On the flip-side, then, I also like your support of going within oneself to find happiness and the innate capacity to flourish. However, my training is in Depth Psychology which posits that personal growth involves loss and healthy conflict associated with becoming conscious (i.e., bringing what is unconscious into consciousness, against the protective efforts of the ego). Shedding outmoded or inauthentic beliefs is fraught with suffering, as it smooths our rough edges and builds character within us. I'm curious about your response to this view, specifically as relates to your aim of "bringing distress and human suffering to an end." I suspect my sense of disconnect may have to do with our different ideas of the meaning of the word "suffering," but I'm curious about what you think. Thank you for doing what you do--there aren't enough of us out there to help all those who need this kind of soul work.
Dorene Mahoney, www.stepwellcoaching.com

Elliott Dacher

Dear Dorene;

Thanks for your note.

The distinction is not in the definition of suffering. It is in the differences between psychological and spiritual development.

Psychological development is focused on creating a healthy ego – transforming afflictive emotions and dysfunctional mental patterns into healthy ones. This is achieved through an investigation into ego disturbances, the unveiling and diminishment of negative patterns and behaviors and the replacement by them by a healthy functioning ego.

Spiritual approaches begin at the level of ego, but that is only the beginning. Spiritual development posits that the central problem is the ego itself - healthy and unhealthy. Even a healthy ego must deal with the existential problems of life - aging, disease and death. A healthy ego cannot bring suffering to an end because it is the central and fundamental cause of suffering. That is to say that the belief in a solid, permanent, autonomous and powerful self is posited to be false. From a spiritual perspective the self is seen as a mental construction built and sustained over a lifetime. It functions in day-to-day life but it is imputed and mentally fabricated rather than real or solid. By undercutting this false sense of self we develop access to our authentic self which is an open, simple and non-mental presence and being. The qualities of human flourishing are innate to this basic steadfast and natural self that spontaneously arises once the ego gives way.

Psychological development diminishes the suffering that results from an unhealthy ego. Spiritual development ends all suffering as it brings an end to the false view of the ego – undermining is separateness, underlying isolation and disconnection and its veiling of our authentic self and its qualities.

A bit complicated answer to your question .... hope it helps ...

Elliott

Dorene Mahoney

It's a tall order to unplug from the creative tension that exists between what we know to be true in our psychology and the vast realm of all that is unconscious. You have done this? And, what of our humanity? Is it not our capacity to feel emotions and be self-reflective that makes us human (and not some other organism)? Is that the aim--to escape our humanity? I'm not challenging you. I'm trying to figure out if I'm understanding what you're saying.

Geoffrey

Thanks for your website. I just found it today while substitute teaching. Last year, my journey began much like Joseph Campbell's "ladder up the wrong wall" metaphore. You mention the "Nicomachean Ethics". That is actually one of the first places my journey brought me. (The first being M. Scott Peck's "The Road Less Traveled" series.) I had listened to Joseph Koterski's lecture on Aristotle's Ethics from "The Teaching Company".

I ended up transposing it to text while inserting pieces from other sources as well as hundreds of visual vocabulary words from the Visual Thesaurus. (If you wanted a copy I would email it too you.)

Anway, I have gone on to study Haye, Wilber, Canfield, Hill, Moore, Wilson, Dali Lama, The Marharishi, Forrest Church and many others.

Somehow, your words regarding "Human Flourishing" touched my very much and will add your blog to my "primary" sources for inspiration.

Thank you

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